“Obviously, it would have been nice if we had a better head start, but I don’t think you could say that we are where we are right now because of one factor,” Fauci said on CNN Sunday. “It’s very complicated.”
Fauci also confirmed a New York Times story saying that he and other experts had wanted to begin social and physical distancing measures as early as February.
Trump has often in the past shown his anger with critics within his own administration by retweeting the negative or taunting comments of others rather than saying anything himself. It allows him to cry “fake news” when the media interprets the retweeted material as reflecting his views.
While he may or may not actually want to fire Fauci — he has used Twitter just to discredit the views of officials with whom he disagrees, retweeting stories and commentary from his favorite news outlets, like Fox News and more recently OANN, the One America News Network.
Fauci, known for his candor but also his diplomacy, has implicitly and explicitly taken issue with Trump on several occasions. Trump demonstrated his apparently increasing irritation last week when he stepped in to stop Fauci from answering a question about the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine, an unproven drug the president has been touting for treatment of covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus. He has also been skeptical of Trump’s rush to set a date for lightening up on mitigation efforts to get the economy moving as the 2020 election approaches.
Fauci has become a major figure in America because of his prominent role in the White House’s coronavirus task force. He has appeared on television almost daily, standing beside Trump during coronavirus briefings and landing interviews on news programs and even late-night comedy shows. He has become so well-known, people have designed doughnuts, T-shirts and “fan clubs” to celebrate him.
Recent polls have shown that Americans trust Fauci much more than they trust Trump, which could rankle Trump.
But any effort to hound out Fauci could also further erode public confidence in the president’s handling of the deadly pandemic.
Fauci is a career government scientist who has never been a partisan figure. First appointed to his position in 1984, Fauci has led the agency, which is part of the National Institutes of Health, under six presidents, starting with Ronald Reagan. George W. Bush said he has “absolute confidence” in Fauci and the other experts leading the way on the coronavirus outbreak. Bush awarded him the nation’s highest civilian honor, the Medal of Freedom.
Fauci developed a reputation as a skilled public health expert while combating the AIDS crisis in the 1980s.
The measured comments by Fauci, which did not mention Trump or explicitly criticize the administration and were elicited by questioning by CNN’s Jake Tapper, led a flurry of right-wing commentators to rebuke him. Some reports have indicated that the president has been calling advisers seeking their opinions on Facui’s performance in recent days.
Some right-leaning commentators and Trump’s online base have rallied behind the president, taking shots at Fauci as their relationship has grown increasingly strained. And even as the president repeatedly slammed the mainstream media Sunday, he praised OANN.
Stuck inside the White House because of social distancing limitations, Trump spent his Easter Sunday railing against the “Fake News,” slamming publications ranging from the New York Times and even Fox News, after criticism of the federal government’s slow response to the coronavirus pandemic ramped up over the weekend.
The president attacked the journalists after a New York Times report that the Trump administration had information that could have led to social distancing precautions much earlier and blamed the president’s slow response for the scale of the virus’s spread and rising death toll.
Similar criticisms were echoed in many news reports Sunday, sparking heated retorts from Trump even for Fox News.
In an interview with Fox News’s Chris Wallace, Tom Inglesby, director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, also said the U.S. would “be in a much better position” if the Trump administration had acted more quickly. That interview inspired Trump to blast the right-leaning news network and Wallace personally, calling him a “Mike Wallace wannabe,” a reference to Chris Wallace’s father, the legendary investigative broadcaster who died in 2012.
“What the hell is happening to @FoxNews,” Trump tweeted Sunday. “It’s a whole new ballgame over there!”
Just watched Mike Wallace wannabe, Chris Wallace, on @FoxNews. I am now convinced that he is even worse than Sleepy Eyes Chuck Todd of Meet the Press(please!), or the people over at Deface the Nation. What the hell is happening to @FoxNews. It’s a whole new ballgame over there!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 12, 2020
The personal attack on Wallace drew a rebuke from Jedediah Bila a weekend co-host of one of the president’s favorite shows, Fox & Friends. “Enough with the 3rd grade name-calling,” she said. “Chris is doing his job.”
Enough with the 3rd grade name-calling. Chris is doing his job. The news should not be any president’s friend, ally, or buddy. If it bothered you when Obama complained about Fox News, but you’re silent on this complete nonsense, then just stop. Seriously. Enough. https://t.co/uW1Dw275Or
— Jedediah Bila (@JedediahBila) April 12, 2020
Here are relevant excerpts from Sunday’s Fauci interview with CNN’s Jake Tapper:
TAPPER: The New York Times reported yesterday that you and other top officials wanted to recommend social and physical distancing guidelines to President Trump as far back as the third week of February, but the administration didn’t announce such guidelines to the American public until March 16, almost a month later. Why?
FAUCI: You know, Jake, as I have said many times, we look at it from a pure health standpoint. We make a recommendation. Often, the recommendation is taken. Sometimes, it’s not. But we — it is what it is. We are where we are right now.
TAPPER: Do you think lives could have been saved if social distancing, physical distancing, stay-at-home measures had started third week of February, instead of mid-March?
FAUCI: You know, Jake, again, it’s the what would have, what could have. It’s — it’s very difficult to go back and say that. I mean, obviously, you could logically say, that if you had a process that was ongoing, and you started mitigation earlier, you could have saved lives. Obviously, no one is going to deny that.
But what goes into those kinds of decisions is — is complicated. But you’re right. I mean, obviously, if we had, right from the very beginning, shut everything down, it may have been a little bit different.